Curse

CE Devilman · Jun 14, 2008, 03:37 PM // 15:37

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N1ghtstalker · Jun 14, 2008, 03:39 PM // 15:39

very impressive

jbwarrior · Jun 14, 2008, 03:56 PM // 15:56

GJ there

... waiting for your guide

Icy The Mage · Jun 14, 2008, 03:56 PM // 15:56

Nice collage, may I ask what the one with all the tengu stuff is?

Edit: No, I mean where were all those tengu farmed? :P

scrawlerthebrave · Jun 14, 2008, 03:57 PM // 15:57

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:A/E_Perma_Sliver_Form

Darklight Derv · Jun 14, 2008, 04:27 PM // 16:27

Awesome build! Im gonna have to try that cause right now the only use I have for my sin is ab and uw.

Songbringer · Jun 14, 2008, 04:45 PM // 16:45

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Originally Posted by IcyFiftyFive

Nice collage, may I ask what the one with all the tengu stuff is?

Edit: No, I mean where were all those tengu farmed? :P

well in the picture there is feathered caromi scalps so that narrows the area he could have farmed them down to kryta. I would guess that big area in north kryta province that you have to run through going on the sanctum cay run.

petrorabbit · Jun 14, 2008, 06:14 PM // 18:14

Just curious, why is [critical agility] in the build? If its for extra armor, can't you get better mileage out of [great dwarf armor] or [armor of earth]?

edit: Just saw the rest of the guide, now i understand you're using daggers for energy management.

Also wanted to add, instead of [jagged strike] [signet of infection] can't you achieve nearly the same results with [vipers defense] and [radiation field]?

graverobber2 · Jun 14, 2008, 06:29 PM // 18:29

i think it's for the energy
because of the faster attack speed, you get more energy from criticals and zealous daggers

CE Devilman · Jun 14, 2008, 06:29 PM // 18:29

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Axel Zinfandel · Jun 14, 2008, 06:31 PM // 18:31

Looks good, though I'd use [Viper's Defense] and [Radiation Field] if energy allows. If not, maybe [Glyph of lesser energy] and [Radiation field]. Using it twice would cause max degen with high enough rank.

petrorabbit · Jun 14, 2008, 06:39 PM // 18:39

well, if you're not using daggers then [Glyph of Lesser Energy] with [radiation field] and [vipers defense] can be used. The thing is, mulitiple radiation fields won't stack after the 5 seconds, since same conditions don't stack. The poison from vipers and disease from radiation will stack for a longer duration.

Also to OP:

I think you can still use req 9 daggers with 7 in dagger mastery. Using a lower rank to requirement will decrease your damage output with daggers, but not your hit probability. It will be the same with double strike and critical hit with 7 dagger master anyway. Since you're using daggers as energy management, you can actually use a req 9 inscribable dagger with +5 energy inscription to get more out of your energy pool.

CE Devilman · Jun 14, 2008, 06:48 PM // 18:48

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petrorabbit · Jun 14, 2008, 07:03 PM // 19:03

As I type this, i'm autoattacking master of damage with req9 zealous daggers of enchantment with critical agility up, 7 dagger mastery, 8 critical strikes. So far, i'd get a Crit before CA runs out.

gonna check to see of CA is still up.

And still going.

Conclusion:
You can keep it up for a while, with 7DM and 8 CS with req 9 daggers. 8 in critical strike is only 12 seconds of CA. 7 DM and 8 CS roughly equals 18% crit, which is not alot for a shorter duration. Even with req 7 dagger, you would run into the same thing.

ReZDoGG · Jun 14, 2008, 07:11 PM // 19:11

Yeah, Viper's Defense and Radiantion work pretty good. even Viper's alone with GoLE in there works good, I used them on Mantid's and Kappa. But I guess some people have trouble with energy, so they like to use daggers. I personally haven't run into any energy problems, if my energy gets low, I usually stand around and wait to regen... I will only use GoS, DP, and SF until I got enough energy to use other skills. But that doesn't happen so often. If you want to use dagger skills for energy, use [Golden Lotus Strike] and [Lotus Strike].

Or, you can take out Critical Agility, which really ain't needed and put in [Way of the Lotus] with [Golden Phoenix Strike] and any dual attack such as [death blossom]. This way you don't need any points in Dagger or Critical if you don't want to, since it takes advantage of having a full 16 shadow arts if you would rather be safer. You can also use the Ward with any weapon for extra damage, earth staff does the most, but pair of daggers can be alil quicker.

petrorabbit · Jun 14, 2008, 07:33 PM // 19:33

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Originally Posted by CE Devilman

and the degre + req 7 is faster to take out the last one..

Of course the req7 will do more damage because that affects your max damage. The point is if you're using zealous daggers for energy management, then how much damage you do with those daggers is irrelevent. Dagger requirements have nothing to do with your hit probability or your critical hit chance, just your damage. Yes you can use req 9 dagger with dagger mastery at 7 and critical strike at 8 to keep up critical agility to help manage your energy. You just won't do as much damage with daggers because that is what degen and sliver armor is for. Basically, saying you can't keep up CA with req 9 dagger is false, since it is basically the same statistics with keeping up CA with a req 7 dagger with your 7DM, 8CS attribute spread.

Personally, i still think using glyph of lesser energy with a staff is more efficient than splitting points to dagger and crit. But if you are going to use the dagger route, a req 9 dagger will suffice with your attribute spread, and it can be inscribed with +5 energy. If you do want to do damage, then you can use the req 7s, but I still think the higher energy pool is more important since daggers aren't your main source of damage.

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Originally Posted by ReZDoGG

Or, you can take out Critical Agility, which really ain't needed and put in [Way of the Lotus] with [Golden Phoenix Strike] and any dual attack such as [death blossom].

Rez, he's using CA with zealous daggers for energy managment.

CE Devilman · Jun 14, 2008, 11:45 PM // 23:45

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petrorabbit · Jun 15, 2008, 12:39 AM // 00:39

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Originally Posted by CE Devilman

can still put 12 in any Ele magic line ...like most A/E

So far, i'd get a Crit before CA runs out
sure...but...U need to spend time to keep up SF and to do dmg
so U need to make sure U get a lot of Critcal hit to keep CA

Don't you need to spend the same time keeping up SF with req 7 daggers anyway? So far you said you need req 7 dagger to keep up CA with your attribute spread, and I have proven that claim false. You still do the same thing with req9 daggers, that can be inscribed with +5 energy. Once again, Having the required points for a dagger does not affect your chance to hit, or chance to critical hit, just your damage.

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I usually stand around and wait to regen...
why ..CA and req7 are a 4.7..5+ pips energy

If you're fighting mobs that have blocking stances, your energy regen becomes 3pips. If mobs have skills like [vengeful weapon] or [reversal of damage] you're just going to be taking damage, and killing yourself to regen energy.

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since daggers aren't your main source of damage.
nop...its my 3 source of damage
1 boost Sliver - 2 degre - 3 dagger

3rd Source of damage? Ok, if you want to put auto attacking daggers above a larger energy pool, that is up to you. I still think it's better to do lower dagger dps with this build and have +5 energy especially with your 3rd source of damage. Not only does Sliver armor and degen do most of the work anyway, you will also increase your survivability.

Axel Zinfandel · Jun 15, 2008, 07:49 AM // 07:49

No offense, but I'm going to stop trying to understand what you're saying. I feel like I'm getting a brain hemorrhage trying to decipher half these sentences.

Abedeus · Jun 15, 2008, 09:56 AM // 09:56

Agree with Axel. Build might be good, but if you keep using things like "to cut it short meed the req in Dagger Master + Critical = more energy
add in the skill: Critcal Agility and U got a fast flow of energy", nobody will understand. You misuse D's with T's, your with you're and a whole lot of errors that after 2 years of learning English you wouldn't make.

But btw, you can always get Mesmer bonder with prot bond, mending and watchful spirit (plus maybe succor) and Signet of Illusions to farm Afflicted using the UW Fire Nuker build. Works nicely, although you CAN'T kill monks. They have draw condition, reversal of fortune and other things. Also, you must use PBAoE if Assassin uses Shadow Form and best if you try to hex something near him with Mark of Rodgort, so he will burn too.

They drop rare materials like claws, eyes and a lot of Plagueborn golds.